out-sniped i.e outbid ok - don't understand the timing!

[monkeytrix]

Hi & first of all this is not a complaint but a request for clarification - GIXEN is a brilliant service & has served me incredibly well! - but I don't understand the apparent discrepancy of bidding times (Chicago/Miami to ebay uk on GMT might have something to do with it) for this auction...(as per list below) my first snipe went in at 58.58 ; second from Miami mirror also listed at 58.58 although the Chicago offset is 6sec & the Miami offset is 3sec... & the auction actually was due to end at 59.03 -so the snipes seem to have been delivered at the same time & apparently early...? & the winning snipe arrived at a 3 sec offset - I don't understand - am I missing something?!!
Clarification would be most welcome - it's interesting trying to understand all this! I think if I snipe its only fair if I can also get out sniped but I'd like to understand how it happened!
Thanks! & appreciation!

Bidders: 10Bids: 15Time ended: 14-Dec-13 14:59:03 GMTDuration: 7 days
Sorry, you were outbid. This item sold for GBP 322.02


5***o ( 158Feedback score is 100 to 499) GBP 322.02
14-Dec-13 14:59:00 GMT

monkeytrix ( 298Feedback score is 100 to 499) GBP 312.99
14-Dec-13 14:58:58 GMT

monkeytrix ( 298 ) GBP 310.01
14-Dec-13 14:58:58 GMT

z***d ( 133Feedback score is 100 to 499) GBP 300.01
14-Dec-13 14:56:21 GMT

[monkeytrix]

just to say that according to the bid history, the winning bid wasn't an automatic ebay proxy bid as the users id appeared for the first time at the very end..unless there's a way for people to conceal their bids!
item no 181277241957

[mario]

Bid of 312.99 that arrived 5 seconds before auction end is from Gixen main, and it was submitted as designed. It is normal that a bid arrives the same second or a second later.

Gixen mirror never submitted the bid, as you can see in its status. The other bid shown, 310.01 is not a submitted bid, it's an ebay proxy bid (you have to click on "automatic bids" to even see this). So had it not been for the winning bidder's bid (that indeed came 3 seconds before auction end), this is the amount with which you would have won.

So it all seems logical to me, I don't see anything out of order here.

[Cupid]

Yes, I agree... if you select the 'Hide automatic bids' on the bids page then you only see the bids that were accepted by Ebay and not all the prices that the auction had as it progressed.

It is never possible to have two different bid amounts sent from the Gixen servers.. both are trying to bid the same maximum amount... so once the earlier one is accepted the later one is rejected by Ebay... you will only ever see a later bid when the earlier one fails ... if you actually require the bid to be later you have to set both servers to have the lower offset... I'm not recommending that though, personally I prefer to use higher offsets not lower ones.
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[monkeytrix]

(181277241957) - hi & thanks for your replies, Mario & Cupid!...I still don't quite follow how the proxy bidder's id didn't appear till the very end - isn't proxy bidding automatic & shouldn't it appear as the bid is upped earlier on as they continuously outbid others? ? am I being thick? - I must be (after all I'm a Brit, not far from Cupid!) or is the high bidders id continously concealed until the end?

[mario]

The winning bid indeed came after your bid, it wasn't automatic. Well, ebay's proxy bidding engine determined the amount needed to win, which was your maximum bid + bid increment, but the bid itself was not submitted by the bidder before that moment. Obviously we don't know what his maximum bid was.

[Cupid]

Yes, the proxy bid that Mario referred to in his first post was yours, not the winning bidders.

After your bid was placed and before the winning bid was placed (5 seconds in total) you would have seen a price of 310.01 which, as Mario said, is what you would have needed to pay if the winning bid had not been placed.

Mario is also correct that normally we would not know the other bidders maximum bid, however in this case, since their bid is less than one bid increment (GBP 10 in that range) more than yours we do know that they won at their maximum. Otherwise Ebay would have made them pay 322.99.
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