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Who has priority when you represent two or more snipers?

 
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 05, 2011 1:24 pm    Post subject: Who has priority when you represent two or more snipers? Reply with quote

When you represent two or more snipers for the same auction, what do you do? Suppose that they both bid the same maximum bid- who gets to go second?
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 05, 2011 1:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

No user has priority over any other, mirror subscribers get extra services such as a back up server also trying to place the bid, but that's not really priority in the sense that you are meaning.

If two users snipe the same amount on the same auction, due to the rules of eBay the one with the larger offset is more likely to win because their bid will be with eBay first. Gixen will attempt to place both bids at the time specified by the user that set that snipe.

If both users also had the same offset, it is random which bid will reach eBay first, so it can not be predicted which is more likely to win.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 05, 2011 9:53 pm    Post subject: offset Reply with quote

What do you mean offset. If they both get there at the same time. What do you mean offset?
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 06, 2011 3:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The offset, here on Gixen, is the number of seconds before the auction ends that the bid is placed.

So a larger offset results in the bid being placed earlier.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 06, 2011 1:40 pm    Post subject: The first one wins Reply with quote

What language are we talking here?
Cupid wrote:
due to the rules of eBay the one with the larger offset is more likely to win because their bid will be with eBay first.
That rule being, in a tie in price, the first one wins decided by the time stamp. It is not more likely, the first one wins.

A true tie would have to be both in time and price. In a tie the programmers timing offsets to the finish line, as well as both prices, are the same. In a tie there is zero offset between the bids, or it is not a tie.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 06, 2011 2:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm typing English, which language are you understanding in? Very Happy

The reason I said 'more likely' is that it is possible that the first bid gets rejected and the second does not... or that both get rejected and neither wins.

Your last paragraph does not make sense to me, there is a winner in that situation, but it can not be predicted ahead of time which of the snipes it will be.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 06, 2011 11:30 pm    Post subject: Winning Reply with quote

Cupid wrote:
due to the rules of eBay the one with the larger offset is more likely to win.
I have never seen it printed "Due to the larger offset Porsche beat Audi at the twenty four hours of Lemans." People do not talk like that. They also don't say "Due to the larger offset, Porsche is more likely to win."

When during an auction two bids arrive with a zero offset to each other. Why would the first bid be rejected?

No where on the eBay site to do I find any mention of winning by offset.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 07, 2011 3:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Offset is a term used here on Gixen to represent the amount of time before the auction ends that the bid is placed.

It is made clear on eBay that when two high bids of the same amount are placed the one that is entered first is the winner.

In sports where a tie is possible, like high jump, you usually find that there is a way to count back on performance in order to choose a winner, in high jump it is the number of failures at a lower hight that counts, on eBay it is the time that the bid that is used.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 07, 2011 10:45 am    Post subject: Ties Reply with quote

Yes this is true.
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When two high bids of the same amount are placed the one that is entered first is the winner.
The first highest price wins. If one gets there before the other it is not a tie, the first one wins. If one has a higher price than the other it is not a tie, because the higher bid wins. It can only be a tie when two bids arrive at eBay in the same time increment, and for the same price.

I think the question was, what happens when you send bids at the same price, and at the same time?

They should arrive at eBay simultaneously, in which case you say, eBays selection appears to be random.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 07, 2011 11:09 am    Post subject: Re: Who has priority when you represent two or more snipers? Reply with quote

The question was:

JFreund3 wrote:
When you represent two or more snipers for the same auction, what do you do? Suppose that they both bid the same maximum bid- who gets to go second?


I elaborated on the various scenarios that relate to that question, there was no mention of a 'tie' at that point.

OK, specifically for bids sent at the same time of the same amount... there will undoubtedly be some difference on the time that they arrive at the eBay server, you just can't tell which one arrived first because eBay do not report bid times with accuracy of less than a second. What I am saying is that in that case Gixen does not give priority to any of the bids to be sent... so the result is random in terms of the result.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 12, 2011 3:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So, just to confirm... If two Gixen users were to place two DIFFERENT bid amounts at the same time, each user would get their bid placed, correct? Meaning there's no randomness or chance involved?
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 12, 2011 6:10 pm    Post subject: Instantaneously Reply with quote

Oh yes of course.
swolfe wrote:
If two Gixen users were to place two DIFFERENT bid amounts at the same time, each user would get their bid placed.
Because of the Mirror they might even be placed on the same microsecond. Simultaneously from the Main, and from Miami. When Gixen users place bids of any amounts at the same time, each user gets their bids placed as scheduled.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 12, 2011 7:17 pm    Post subject: Protocol Reply with quote

From Gixen's side they will be sent out as scheduled. All of these rules and regulations are about eBays willingness to accept the bids.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 13, 2011 4:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

They are never placed at the same time, they are sent at the same time. Which one arrives first is completely random.
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