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[quote="Cupid"][quote="nochkin"]Havethisone, another suggestion.. If 31.00 is what you really want to pay (not 32.00), then bid few pennies more, like 32.01 or so. It won't hurt your budget, but will increase your chances to win (especially in this case).[/quote] Yes I agree that is good advice. However in this case it would have had to have been a bid of more than 31.01 (because kamranr's bid at Dec-23-07 22:03:24 PST must have been at least 31.01 for eBay to have accepted it), perhaps havethisone didn't want to pay much more than 31.00. BTW a belated Happy New Year to everyone here (I was waiting until I could be at least partialy 'On Topic' ;-) )[/quote]
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<table border="0" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1" width="100%" class="forumline"> <tr> <th class="thCornerL" width="22%" height="26">Author</th> <th class="thCornerR">Message</th> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>juangrande</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2008 6:24 pm<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Cupid wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote"> I hope you did not think me rude for not replying to your last post here... I must admit that I missed it entirely... I think that is because it was an edited post rather than a completely new one.</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />It never even occurred to me, Mark! I thought the discussion was interesting, as well! I had simply been working under a misconception. Thanks for pointing it out! <br /> <br />John</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Cupid</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2008 9:44 am<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">Hi John, <br /> <br /> I hope you did not think me rude for not replying to your last post here... I must admit that I missed it entirely... I think that is because it was an edited post rather than a completely new one. <br /> <br /> Anyway I came back (eventually) to provide another example for our readers, if you view the bidding of miss_me_when_im_gone on auction 350012049642 it demonstrates what is possible in this respect. <br /> <br /> I'm certainly not recommending that type of bidding, however thinking about it further: <br /> <br />1> I can see if you bid every penny between one increment above the current bid and what you are prepared to pay then you could perhaps save almost an increment in your costs if you won the auction. eBay would only take the bid at the next highest bidders price (the same as one of your own bids) as the winning bid, i.e. not add an extra increment from your proxy bid... Of course it doesn't work because it just attracts more bids from others. The time and effort involved in setting it up would be a waste of time, in my view. <br /> <br />2> It could also intimidate other bidders into thinking that you have bid higher than you actually have (if they looked at the bid history) and perhaps refrain from actually bidding against you even if they were prepared to pay more. This doesn't work because bidders rarely look at the bid history, and even if they do they are unlikely to be intimidated by it particularly if they really want the item, and are prepared to pay more than the current price plus one increment. <br /> <br />Perhaps there are other reasons that people might bid this way?... Anyway its cetainly been an interesting discussion, hasn't it?</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>juangrande</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Wed Jan 02, 2008 5:20 pm<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>nochkin wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">Before havethisone sniped this auction, it was at 29.32 (with hidden bid 31.00 from kamranr) so the next increment is 30.32 to be accepted by eBay and 31.01 to actually win</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />This is not quite correct. Once <span style="font-style: italic">havethisone</span> bid, it became known that <span style="font-style: italic">kamranr</span>'s next-to-last bid was <span style="font-style: italic">exactly</span> $31.00 and his last bid had to be <span style="font-style: italic">more</span>. Thus, <span style="font-style: italic">havethisone</span> could not have won with a bid of $31.01, as Mark has already pointed out. <br /> <br />By the way, Mark, you are <span style="font-style: italic">absolutely correct</span>! Our discussion convinced me to do the experiment: see the bid history for item 220187723871. Since <span style="font-style: italic">eggersjd</span> is my alter ego, I happen to know that his 2nd and 3rd bids are $10.45 and $10.50, respectively. When I made the last bid, eBay's only requirement was that I bid <span style="font-style: italic">more</span> than $10.45, which is exactly what you claimed. All I can say is: whoops! :roll: <br /> <br />BTW, if anyone is interested in a book entitled <span style="font-style: italic">Contributions To The Theory Of Riemann Surfaces</span>, they'll know exactly how much they'll have to bid to outbid me. :D</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>nochkin</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Wed Jan 02, 2008 3:01 pm<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">juangrande, <br />Before havethisone sniped this auction, it was at 29.32 (with hidden bid 31.00 from kamranr) so the next increment is 30.32 to be accepted by eBay and 31.01 to actually win (not 32.01 as I mis-typed before ;) ). <br /> <br />Increment is 1.00 for this price range.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Cupid</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Wed Jan 02, 2008 12:22 pm<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>juangrande wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">Actually, this is not quite correct, Mark. Since we know <span style="font-style: italic">kamranr</span>'s bid at Dec-23-07 22:01:19 PST was exactly $31.00, his bid at Dec-23-07 22:03:24 PST had to be at least one bid increment higher than $31.00 for eBay to have accepted it, namely, $32.00. In other words, in order to bid again, one must bid at least one bid increment more than one's previous bid, even if the current bid is lower than one's previous bid. So, <span style="font-style: italic">havethisone</span> would have had to bid more than $32.00 to have a chance at winning.</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />Hey John, <br /> <br /> Are you absolutely sure?... I'm pretty certain that I've encountered bidding where the high bidder has bid within an increment of themselves when placing a higher bid, indeed I've been caught out by it when I've been nasty enough to think that I don't want an item going for the current bid price, but their actual highest bid is within an incremant above what I would be happy to pay. <br /> <br /> When <span style="font-style: italic">kamranr</span>'s bid at Dec-23-07 22:03:24 PST the auction price was $29.32 (or perhaps even $28.82, I'm not certain where the bid incremant goes from $0.50 to $1.00 ?) held by their earlier bid at Dec-23-07 21:59:09 PST and seconded by their bid of $31 at 22:01:19 PST... I think that in this case (where your proxy is not entirely used) eBay will accept any bid that is above your own and also above the current increment, so $31.01 would be acceptable. <br /> <br /> I'm very hesitant to contradict you as I do bow to you undoubted greater bidding knowledge... its just, as I say, I'm sure I've encountered the type of bidding that I'm suggesting is possible.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>juangrande</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Wed Jan 02, 2008 11:16 am<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Cupid wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">However in this case it would have had to have been a bid of more than 31.01 (because kamranr's bid at Dec-23-07 22:03:24 PST must have been at least 31.01 for eBay to have accepted it)</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />Actually, this is not quite correct, Mark. Since we know <span style="font-style: italic">kamranr</span>'s bid at Dec-23-07 22:01:19 PST was exactly $31.00, his bid at Dec-23-07 22:03:24 PST had to be at least one bid increment higher than $31.00 for eBay to have accepted it, namely, $32.00. In other words, in order to bid again, one must bid at least one bid increment more than one's previous bid, even if the current bid is lower than one's previous bid. So, <span style="font-style: italic">havethisone</span> would have had to bid more than $32.00 to have a chance at winning. <br /> <br /></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Cupid wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">BTW a belated Happy New Year to everyone here (I was waiting until I could be at least partialy 'On Topic' :wink: )</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />Thanks for leaving me an opening to be at least partially 'On Topic' while wishing you a Happy New Year, Mark! :wink:</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Cupid</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Wed Jan 02, 2008 9:47 am<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>nochkin wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">Havethisone, another suggestion.. <br />If 31.00 is what you really want to pay (not 32.00), then bid few pennies more, like 32.01 or so. <br />It won't hurt your budget, but will increase your chances to win (especially in this case).</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />Yes I agree that is good advice. However in this case it would have had to have been a bid of more than 31.01 (because kamranr's bid at Dec-23-07 22:03:24 PST must have been at least 31.01 for eBay to have accepted it), perhaps havethisone didn't want to pay much more than 31.00. <br /> <br />BTW a belated Happy New Year to everyone here (I was waiting until I could be at least partialy 'On Topic' ;-) )</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>nochkin</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Wed Jan 02, 2008 9:15 am<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">Havethisone, another suggestion.. <br />If 31.00 is what you really want to pay (not 32.00), then bid few pennies more, like 32.01 or so. <br />It won't hurt your budget, but will increase your chances to win (especially in this case).</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>juangrande</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Mon Dec 31, 2007 7:05 pm<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">Here's enough of the bidding history to see what happened. Your $31.00 bid was made at 23:11:54 and <span style="font-style: italic">kamranr</span>'s $31.00 bid was made at 22:01:19, a full 1 hour, 10 minutes and 35 seconds before your bid; thus, <span style="font-style: italic">kamranr</span>'s bid was given precedence. Note also that <span style="font-style: italic">kamranr</span> made another bid at 22:03:24, so you would still have lost the auction: the only difference had your bid been made earlier would be that the closing price of the auction would have been one increment higher, that is, $32.00. <br /> <br /></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Code:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="code"> <br />Bidders: 5 Total Bids: 15 Time Ended: Dec-23-07 23:11:58 PST <br /> <br />This item has ended. <br /> <br />Bidder Bid Amount Bid Time <br />kamranr US $31.00 Dec-23-07 22:03:24 PST <br />kamranr US $31.00 Dec-23-07 22:01:19 PST <br />havethisone US $31.00 Dec-23-07 23:11:54 PST <br />kamranr US $30.00 Dec-23-07 21:59:09 PST <br />jsg1965 US $28.32 Dec-23-07 20:41:41 PST <br />kamranr US $27.00 Dec-23-07 21:56:29 PST <br /></td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"></span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Havethisone</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Mon Dec 31, 2007 5:05 pm<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Requested reply</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">280184892376</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>mario</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Mon Dec 24, 2007 5:45 pm<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">Post item id here so that we can take a look?</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Havethisone</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Mon Dec 24, 2007 4:40 pm<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Didn't get bid</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">I have had two occasions now where I have not won an item, but some one else did bidding the same amount. According to the bid history I bid first. ???</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> </table>
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